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If you had money...how would you rebuild/change Cathkin?


Personally....I would leave it the way it is...but make the terracing safer underfoot....then build a state of the art stand with museum attached....a cover for the cooshed, maybe cover the ends too....BUT....LEAVE ALL THE TREES. Get good security guys and the like to ensure no vandalism and the groundsman who also knows a lot about trees. The steps from the turnstiles to the terracing should be trees on either side.

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Hi Whitburn Jag,
                        First of all, welcome to the site and I hope you have the chance to look around and peruse the various comments / contributions to the very many different topics on view. Especially check out people's memories of old games and generally visiting Cathkin for the first time as the old place always seems to get the old emotions going for young and old alike!
If we had the money to rebuild, I think I would follow the pattern of the old ground. That is to say, a seated enclosure with adjoining pavilion ( minus 'Players' sign! ) on the north side opposite the South terracing with a capacity ranging from 500 - 2000 depending on how well the new team would be doing and at what level of football they would be playing. The Pavillion could be used as a Third Lanark museum and tea room / small restaraunt on match days. ( If St Mirren are leaving Love Street soon, then there should be buck shee / cut price seats available for any enterprise wanting to redevelop Cathkin methinks ). The present west end of the ground has a small risen pavilion already, not part of the original stadium of course, but this could surely be upgraded / developed and possibly used as new changing facilities with all mod cons inside for the players and coaching staff.
I agree the terracing could be made safer underfoot and a covered enclosure built on the southside, but this would involve cutting down too many of the trees and these should be kept as they give the ground a nice ambience at the moment. I disagree that the ends should be covered as I think a substantial part of the terracing with their classic barriers should be used to position massive great red and white Third Lanark AC banners and create a banner strewn, red and white amphitheatre type feel for the players, a la on the continent, when they play games. At least in this way, the old classic terracing could be kept fairly intact, and I do think this classic structure deserves to be preserved as it is, since it has managed to withstand the ravages of time and neglect fairly well over the part 40 years, dont you think? Remember, part of the allure of Third Lanark for visitors and old supporters alike is that the look and feel of the natural amphitheatre that is Cathkin Park with it's classic terracing, barriers and wide pitch, is still there, preserved in aspic for us all to see, a time capsule waiting for entrepeneurial, enthusiastic individuals to come along and at last ressurrect this great club. Here's hoping, along with many others I might add.
Finally, it stands to reason Cathkin would have to be newly perimetered off and security for the ground assured, but this would not prove too much of a problem as the natural line of the old boundary can still be traced and there would be enough land leeway to play with in order to place new turnstiles and perimeter fencing etc along the boundary way. The main problem would be actually securing the land from the council in some way, either through long lease back agreements or by buying it outright ( which I'm not to sure is allowed since the park has a special status I think. Not too sure on this so will have to check my facts. Apologies.) Of course, all this would need a substantial wad of cash so I hope you're an eccentric milionaire with a sense of history and  willingness to right a great historic wrong which took this great club away from us all.
Anyway, just a few ideas and sorry this has taken on War and Peace proportions! Got a bit carried away! If you would like info or an update on what's happening with the new team contact Matt 'Partick Thistle lad' as he and others have lots of progressive ideas on how to take the club forward more generally, ideas which we are all confident can be put in place in the fulness of time and help the resurgence of Thirds. Bye for now and look forward to reply.
                                Neil

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Thanks for that Neil....see how you can do a War and Peace on something you are passionate about.....I have emailed Matt re ideas and may post on the website as I wanted to know what is being done at present and if can be of any help....I'm not a miilionaire but like you have a passion for Jags and a growing obsession to do all I can for Thirds however little that may be.

Matthew has told me that the game is off tomorrow so that solves the home game at Firhill probem. But I intend to go along to the next home game Firhill permitting. In fact I'll just post on the site now and ask a few more questions.

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Hi again Whitburn Jag,
                                Due to lack of computer in house tend to be a bit tardy with replies. Apologies! Slowly but surely more and more people are getting involved and showing a willingness to help the cause in any way they can. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. The general idea is to use people's talents, whether they be in administration, media work, writing skills, organisational abilities, knowledge of business models etc., and pull all these disparate talents together for the greater good of a resurgent Third Lanark. For example, Matt does pretty much all the admin for the team while me and a guy called George put together a small monthly programme/fanzine and try to do posters for upcoming games. We're using this season as a bit of a trial to see if we can get it all running nice and efficiently! It stands to reason that if we want the club to grow again, we'll at some point in the future need to have business plans in place and a strategy for taking the club forward if we want to be taken seriously by politicians and funding bodies, for it is they who have the power to help or hinder us long term. You can see then that there are lots of areas where people's talents can be used and maximised for the good of the club and it would be great if you felt in some of these areas you could make a positive contribution.
Anyway, try and get along to the next home game as we can all meet up and give you a general sense of what were trying to do. We go 't pub afterwards and chew the fat on all things Thirds and laugh at the thought of the normally mild mannered, cultured, urbane Matt turning into a complete raving dervish lunatic when he gets within shouting distance of the confines of his beloved Firhill!
Tattie bye fer noo.

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Hi guys,
Regarding pics of Cathkin there are plenty in Bob Lairds 2 books:
A Pictorial History of Third Lanark
and Third Lanark 50 of the Finest Matches.
Both are available in most Glasgow book stores and in Hampden itself at the Scottish Football shop.  There are loads of photos of Cathkin both prior to 1967 and in 1967 just after the club has sadly folded.  If anyone wants a lend of these books then I will happily lend them out.

Also I dont know if anyone has seen but this week The Herald newspaper are giving away classic prints to mark the 225th Anniversary of the paper.  Fridays classic print is shot from the air of Hampden during a 1950's Scotland v England game.  Due to its close proximity to Hampden you can clearly see Cathkin from the air too in this photo from the 1950's as well.

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Hi Matt...got the book on Sat...havnae put it down!! I was lookin at the crowds....in the pics....35,000 against Hibs in 1959...then 8 years later 250 0r 500...how sad is that....where did everybody dissappear to? Tragic man..tragic. I was in again on Sunday wi ma Maw and Da...Da can mind bein there wi a neighbour behind the goals at the West End...Thirds got a pen and the guy said 'oh he'll miss it watch this' and he did. Just canny get over the Hibs game and the crowds....jesus. Awesome. I mind bein at Firhill in 1967 or 68 agains Celtic and there was 35,000 there...scary comin oot at the end.  

I was fascinated wi the cottage and people up on the top or the top half....the games against Celtic 4-4.....Im gonni try and get the 2nd book. Thanks for the offer of the loan of the book. I'm also amazed at the 2 massive grounds bein so close to each other although ma Da said Queens never had a great support. By the way...there's now a massive f....off tree fell or been blown over right across the South East terracing....I take it the cooncil get aw the branches and trees cleared away?         

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Hi Whitburn Jag again,
                                Yeah, its amazing how in 8 short years from a position of strength, challenging at the top of the league, with crowds of 20 - 30,000, the fortunes of Thirds would plummet so desperately. I think maybe the social changes in Glasgow during the early sixties with the demolition of tenements in the Gorbals and more generally the east and south east ends of the city and the subsequent displacement of communities to the new towns had an affect on attendances on the smaller clubs in the vicinity, such as Clyde, Thirds and Queens Park. But, in all I've read on Third Lanark, there is always this sense that people just got disillusioned with what was happening to their club due to the feeling that it was being deliberately run down and asset stripped by the directors of the time. There is just this feeling of utter powerlessness in the face of all this when you read football histories of the period. Especialy if you look at the crowds in the 3 years between 1964 and 1967, the slump from a respectable 8000 - 10,000 ( eg derbies with Partick Thistle ) to 1500 at home games is alarming and can only be explained by the coming on of a thorough going disillusionment with what was happening at the club. These people, of course, in the words of the great Bob Crampsey on the recent celebratory '50 years of Scotsport' programme, were lost to the game, and if anything, went to watch Pollok juniors rather than any other senior team. But they and their sons and grandsons are still here, logging on to websites such as this to find nostalgic images and stories on Thirds, desperate for information on the new cause, diligently keeping the memory of this great club alive for he benefit of future generations, and that is the constituency that we must tap into when regenerating the club, for the feeling and passion for Thirds is still there and has never disappeared.
By the way, I remember going to a Partick Thistle v Hibernian Scottish Cup tie at Firhill on a brisk winter Saturday, early seventies ( maybe 1971/1972 ? ), with 25,000 in the ground. Thistle won 2-0. It was a great atmosphere and just shows you the latent support that the Jags have always had. Dont suppose you remember it ? Also, you say you're fascinated by the cottage at Cathkin. Do you mean the 'pavilion' ( as I have always called it ) with the big politically incorrect 'Players' cigarette sign on it ? I've always wondered how it was referred to by Thirds fans in their day. It would be fascinating to find out. Anyway, enjoyed your refreshing reminiscences, thoughts and comments on all things Thirds as always. Bye fer noo.
                                                                 Neil

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I got the 2nd Thirds book yesterday....phoned ma wife who told me it had arrived and I felt like a kid comin in and opening it. I didny feel comfortable using the words cottage although I was maybe thinking of Craven Cottage with the cottage at the same place as the Pavillion at Cathkin. It's fascinating stuff looking at the crowds, the TV cameramen up on the balcony of the pavillion, the little pie stand (if that's what it was) up in the south east corner of the ground, the pitch invasion at the Rangers game and the games against Celtic.

From what I can see the new stand was built around 1961/62 only to be the subject of financial shenanegans and eventually being vandalised. 

Aye, I remember the Thistle v Hibs game...I wasnae at it as I was playin that day (I got dropped the week after I went to the league cup final! so I didny want  tae get dropped again.)...anyway...there was 22,000 there at Firhill as it was hoped Thistle could maybe do the cup double...but Hibs won 2-0...(think John Brownlee got the first from a free kick) then went on to get humped 6-1 inthe final against Celtic. 

I'm still looking out for the next Thirds home game to come through for it..but first it's Almondvale on Sat..just along the road from me. 

It's great to see some old action shots of Thirds games tho! 

See ya.        

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Hi again,
            The Partick Thistle v Hibs Scottish Cup tie that I was at was definitely 2 0 to the Jags. I cant remeber all the Hibeee Scottish cup games running up to the 1971 - 72 Scottish Cup Final, except cuffing the Gers in the semi final after a replay, but the cup tie at Firhill Hibs lost so it must have been a different season. I was at the 6-1 Final, 106,000 there if my memory serves me right, Dixie Deans scoring a hatrick and wee Jinky running riot. The atmosphere was phenomenal but my beloved Hibees were cuffed so it has bitter sweet memories for me. ( I'm a Hibee by the way, although I like the Maryhill Magyars also. Was at the home game against Morton recently with Matt. Jags shoud've won! ). Still, later that year, in October 1972, we won the League Cup against Celtic 2-1 with Pat Stanton and Jimmy O'rourke scoring our legendary goals. I had tears in my eyes that day. Just coudn't believe we'd won something. So, I can imagine how Jags fans must have felt when winning that classic League Cup Final 4-1 earlier in the decade. I was at Easter Road on the day of the Final ( they played an almost full card of league games on that day bizarrely ) for a Hibs home game and I can remember the gasps of astonishment when the half time score came up on the old scoreboard. 4-0 to Partick Thistle. There had to be some mistake, surely, we all thought. But no, the Jags had won 4-1 in the end and a classic part of Scotish football folklore was created and will never be forgotten.
Good luck against Livingston, if Hibees can cuff the huns at Ibrox, ( again ), we'll have a nice wee convivial meeting at Easter Road between our two clubs to look forward to. Heres hoping!
Hope to come through for the next Third Lanark home game, weather permitting, so might se you there. Bye the noo. 

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